By 400 AD, the Emperor Theodosius had declared Christianity the only state religion of the Roman Empire. So what is the solution? Hi, in your opening statement use say that God has not party with them, those who operate under any systems of hierarchy set up by man over the authority of the local church. The best illustration of this point can be made this way. This is whats known as the Argumentum ad populum fallacy. Suppose an airplane flew over some isolated country that had no past or present contact with anyone else in the world. Independent KJV Baptist Churches Seeking Pastor | Facebook 1 Timothy 5:17 Deception, 61. You place too much value on modern denominational history. Anyone who differed with the practices of the State church were subject to great persecution. Select church size. From http://procinwarn.com/ccclergy.htm: Most people do not realize that Calvary Chapel church organizations are not, themselves, affiliated with the original Calvary Chapel in Costa Mesa, California. What possible value is there in appealing to a supposed unbroken line of Baptist churches as a churchs authority. 6:30, Titus 1:9-11, II Tim. We have the personal presence of the Holy Spirit to lead and guide us, why would we want to follow rules that were intended for people living in the power of the flesh? It has received 39 reviews with an average rating of 4.7 stars. G.L. I hope Im helping him in his faith journey. KJV Independent, Fundamental Baptist Churches in the USA I do attend the Church of Christ. If someone leaves the church and lives a worldly life style (no church or fellowship with Christ, alcohol, drugs, tobacco, fornication, homosexuality, etc.) Let us know if you have suggestions to improve this article (requires login). 4:1-5, 1 Cor. p.s. Im calling into question yourreasoning as to why you are defending your belief about tithing. Where the pastors power is total? Look at Ezekiel 33. Patrick was born in Scotland in 360 AD and sold into slavery at age sixteen and carried to Ireland. (II Peter 1:20) Baptist believe you do not have to be a Baptist in order to be saved and have eternal life, but a person must believe the Gospel as revealed in the New Testament. Also, you keep mentioning Jesus statement about not leaving tithing undone. One of the last acts of the Presbyterians, before the Long Parliament in England fell, was to past a law passing the death penalty on anyone who was caught holding to what they called Eight Errors in Doctrine. These doctrines included infant baptism. Everyone in the colony was automatically a member of the State church and were taxed to support it. 14) before the Lord Jesus announced the coming establishment of the ekklesia. (Matt 16:18). @greg 5:23) and the Chief Shepherd )1 Peter 5:4). If lots of the Church congregation was wearing Scooby doo and sponge bob square pants costumes or swimsuits regularly to Church I would guess that some people would probably leave and look for another Church. Surely, no church that practiced false doctrine, as many of these groups did, can in truth be called a Baptist church. 1.) Dont misunderstand, I believe we are to preach and testify, but, from what I understand no ones blood will be on my hands if they wind up in Hell. 4 Reasons Christians Are Wrong About Homosexuality, 63. Up to this time Williams was not a Baptist. (Quote from Dr. J. M. Carrolls booklet The Trail of Blood) These historians, in an attempt to show an unbroken line of Baptists in history, have embraced groups which were clearly not doctrinal sound. In my civilian life..and please do pray for our military..I am very honored to serve as Senior Pastor of Coral Ridge in Jacksonville (FL). WHICH BIBLE YOU USE DOES MAKE A DIFFERENCE! So, IT IS in the New Testament! He lived a sinless and exemplary life, died on the cross in our place, and rose again to prove His victory and empower us . They are the only group into modern times whose churches were founded on the Scriptures alone and not on the traditions or works of some man. It is not the name or the organization that makes a Biblical church, but its practice of the faith as revealed in the New Testament. The Pharisees tithed on all their belongings. I went on to share with her that in that same passage it says, singing psalms, hymns (which by the way modern churches are throwing out) and spiritual songs. @Fran It bases its belief in the New Testament teaching that every believer is a priest to himself, having full excess to God without the need to go through a church, church leader or priest. Just because everyone else is doing it doesnt mean its correct. He said he could tell because I had a joyful spirit. Independent Fundamental Baptist - Jesus-is-Savior.com Furthermore I believe it involved religion. @greg Particular Baptist had their beginnings around 1616, when some dissenters left the Church of England and were lead by the Rev. Secessionism is the gross error of Catholicism. The powertrip, which is all Ill call it, was even noticed to be among some of the laypersons who were ushers, or just people who knew people. Such as The Church of Christ? Greg, It may be this passage of Scripture Paul had in mind when he said I am innocent of the blood of all men because he had taught them the whole counsel of Gods word. God said He would preserve His church and that task was not left in the hands of fallible men or groups. You cannot read psalms w/out seeing those raised hands. I request any comment left to me is free of insults and vulgarities, please). This group is to help Pastors locate KJV IFB Churches. HARVEY ND 58341 (701) 324-4415 CH/HM. One of the cops finally suggested giving them all their American money and theyd be free to go with a warning. True Independent Fundamental Baptist Churches uphold the purest teachings of the early church as revealed in the New Testament. (1 Tim. PASTOR JOE MINNERUP. He told me that he attends a independent Baptist Church and stressed the importance of the small ( i ) in the name. I watched a man die last week. Thanks for your response. In a biblical church the pastor is the overseers or leaders of the congregation. These people give Jesus and Christianity overall a black eye every time they go to a military funeral or any other event they have absolutely no respect for. The purpose of the Law being fullfilled we should do all good works in Christ for we are saved to do good works. I have never dressed up for a Church Service and I think people should come how they want. KJV Independent, Fundamental Baptist Churches in the USA . 77. Showing 1-20 of 633 church listings. There is not one Protestant church that is doctrinally pure following the example and polity of the New Testament. Unfortunately, serious Bible study is in short supply these days. As for relating to other denominations and Catholocs, I believe that that is also harmful if one is not strong enough in their faith. Everyone knew this was a farce. 2 Timothy 3:16, All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness. Yes, I knew the life he led, and there was nothing externally that suggested he was anything but a vile sinner who was never saved. @ Bob & Greg, I cant say how much I agree with your posts. They are guilty of not holding the Head, the Lord Jesus Christ. All systems of hierarchy set up by man over the authority of the local church has lead to doctrinal errors and corruption without exception and God has not party with them. Just because all churches do something a certain way (whether its tithing, tithing a tenth, standing on their heads when they pray, or whatever) doesnt make it correct. So how all USA (& most Developed Nations tithe, etc) is no different than at my IFB Church fellowship I attend. Independent Fundamental Baptist churches have fellowship one with the other and often cooperate in such endeavors as evangelism. It is well also to note that these five distinctives are traits also of the true New Testament church! Virginia was especially harsh in religious persecutions. By 1626, the churches had grown from one, to five churches and by 1644 there were forty congregations. She and another church lady had this discussion and the other lady said that to her it is a bigger sin to stay in an abusive, unloving marriage such as the one my mother was in, and I agree whole heartedly. No, we are to teach and preach the Word. First I would disagree that The Church of Christ teaches first century, new testament doctrine. God alone has that authority and He in the person of the Holy Spirit brings conviction and salvation to those who in simple faith believe. I think it is exactly right to see that without divine drawing, no one ever would come to Christ. 8) forbid lifting of hands during the service, some of the IFB churches are more lenient on this matter that others. It is one made up of baptized believers organized in a local congregation for fellowship, teaching and evangelism. Generally speaking, to be Reformed means to have one's roots in the Protestant Reformation of the 16th and 17th centuries. preaching from the Old King James Bible that you "must be born again" and "Jesus and the Bible come first". How would the IFB Churches differ from other churches that teach first century, new testament doctrine? The ordinance of baptism, or 2. Independent Fundamental Baptist (IFB) Deception - Exposing the In the simplest of terms a true Baptist assembly is one which follows the New Testament as his sole authority for his faith and practice. Jesus as clearly as the Son of God could tells us says (John 6:37-39,43 All that the Father gives me will come to me, and whoever comes to me I will never drive away. Well last night the first speaker, spoke on Hell, he said not many preach on Hell anymore (yea, right!) Lynne, A side note, my sons group In Search Of Reason has been selected to play for CreationFest this year. Benedict states that the English Roman Catholics in 1535, put to death twenty two Baptists for heresies. Fundamental Baptists are strict in interpreting the Bible in a literal sense. The cause is clear. We had an elderly woman that lifted her hands and shouted to the Lord the entire service before she went home to be with Him. Smokers use breath mints. mint, rue and all manner of herbs all agricultural products from the land. Like I alluded to earlier most folks dont study their bible, and many do so with preconceived ideas, please have a look at your churchs stance on these issues according to scripture and see if Thomas Campbell is right about these things. Romans 1:20 says that For since the creation Gods invisible qualities his eternal power and divine nature have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse.. PEOPLE are the problem! I know that we dont use argriculture in the same way they did. (For a explanation of the biblical role of deacons please go to http://bible-truth.org/deacon.html, The pastor of the church is called by majority vote of the congregation. Christians should be recognized by their love for Jesus and one another. I suppose I should have asked a couple of questions first, to which group of The Church of Christ are you referring? A comprehensive Independent Baptist Church Directory listing over 8000 churches. Shady Acres Baptist Church August Campmeeting; All purchases through OUR BOOKSTORE & RESOURCES TAB cover the cost of operating the KJV church directory thereby making the site totally FREE and never asking for donation help. When I told my Church of Christ neighbor that the Scripture tells us to worship God with musical instruments, she said Thats Old Testament, but in the New Testament it says to sing, making melody in your heart to the Lord. And she said that means that your vocal chords are the instrument. Other churches founded in New England and in the Middle colonies were the actual mother churches of modern Baptist churches as these churches were responsible for starting other churches. ANyone who wont give to thie ronw family or help the place where they go to felloship togther (bills etc) is pretty lousy I think & no amount of preaching it will probally make a differenc eunless God pricks thier hearts. I think Lynne has been fed a large dose of legalism, and just cant seem to escape it. He tells us all the time he can tell we are believers because we are different in how we treat him and others in our neighborhood. They would probably be allowed in this Church though called Ivor Church: Our editors will review what youve submitted and determine whether to revise the article. A prime example of the dangers of belonging to a convention is seen in the apostate Southern Baptist Convention. 2. The more and more that I looked into it and studied the scripture, I realized not only were they wrong they were *completely* wrong about tithing, in fact, they didnt have a clue, and this was the standard teaching throughout the IFB. Its so important to ask Gods help in forgiving themotherwise satan can get a foothold. I also believe that hanging around with non-Christians is detrimental to ones faith as I have done this. http://www.wvec.com/news/local/INSIDE-A-NAKED-CHURCH-85062392.html. Many Anabaptists churches were strong New Testament churches believing and following the Word of God. That godly Deacon, so righteous on the outside, may have deep dark unrepentant sins no one know about. What does this have to do with our discussion? The first Baptist church on American soil was a direct result of the Puritan persecution of true New Testament believers. In 1678, shortly after the church had erected a new building, the Puritan controlled government nailed its doors shut and forbade anyone under penalty of the law to enter or worship there. Although, this was the first Baptist church to be founded on American soil there is no recorded offspring from this church and modern American Baptist churches can not trace their history directly to it. It was organized in Cicero, Illinois, U.S., in June 1930 as the successor to the American Conference of Undenominational Churches. It is often said that the Protestant Reformation had both a formal cause and a material cause. For example these same people existed when He taught to look upon a woman with lust was Adultry & not just the physcial act. One young lady began attending a non IFB Baptist church. Again Im not sure what the Word of God sais about dress. Knolleys after two years returned to England at the request of his father. Those good Church of Christ folks, I have a few friends in that faith, good folks, but as youve so clearly pointed out, completley out in left field as it relates to musical instruments in the church. Member churches are forbidden to affiliate with any denomination, and the fellowship, administered by annually elected trustees, cannot organize itself as a denomination. Im referring to a mistake I made in my fairly long comment, which you may not have seen yet, once you do youll understand I was correcting a statement in my next to last paragraph. The line of English churches that can be traced, who called themselves Baptists, began in 1610 in Holland. -Ray, My church preaches those five points and we are an IFB church. Adulterous generally hide their actions. I believe that the Bible is clear on what is modest apparel. Please anyone readng this, go back and take a couple weeks and seriously read through the gospels again, over and over, our Lord talks about, and condemns pharisees and others for dressing up the outside and not being concerned about the inside, btw if the inside is right the outside will follow. Baptists strongly insist that Gods Word is not up for arbitration or subject to the individuals, groups, denominations or churchs private interpretation. This is the biggest wrong teaching of the Churches of Christ, although you have lots of company in this wrong belief, it is still wrong teaching. This church had no ties to anyone or any other church, yet this was a Baptist church as much as any Baptist church ever was. This is not to say there were no Baptists in Britain earlier, but that this began a line of churches whose history can be traced. These first Baptist churches formed in England were Armenian in theology, which taught that all men could be saved. Failure to pay the tax brought the wrath of the civil and church leaders and people were publicly beaten, placed in stocks, fined, imprisoned, and banished from the colony by the civil authorities under the direction of the Puritan church officials. So just these few examples demonstrate why many people, including me have a hard time understanding this ancient translation. How can you not see that? I think I already addressed that point. 4) strict obedience to the pastor Using the KJV only is not the problem. Thats why Paul advocated free will offerings (see 2 Corinthians 9). Ok, so Im pretty sure you are referring to the Church of Christ that was founded by good ol Thomas Campbell (1763-1854) He was a fine Scottish Presbyterian who left Ireland to come to western PA. in 1807. Introducing the Abusive Randy Ireland, You Might Be an Independent Fundamental Baptist if, Broad Stroking and Sweeping Generalizations Fallacy, Harold Camping Fails to Predict the Rapture, The 10 Commandments of the Independent Fundamental Baptists, 92-Year-Old Woman Kicked Out of Church for not Tithing, Independent Fundamental Baptist (IFB) De. with joy, and not with grief: for that is unprofitable for you. God does not lead His children by rules. The form contains many questions about doctrine and philosophy of ministry. They dont tell us what to wear more than any other church. I understand all that. http://www.av1611.org/ this web site is dial-the-truth ministries, but I call them dial-the-. I certainly need Gods help to do the things He has asked me to do. I really dont know how to describe it. Also, when only what we do for Christ will last would include contributing to kingdom endeavors. You will find, to the left, a tags cloud as well as a category drop down menu. It helped start the first Baptist church in Philadelphia the following year. I only know of two. 4. 7) divorce as the unpardonable sin you can be forgiven if you kill someone, or if you have been saved from a homosexual lifestyle, but God help you if you have been divorced, they will still let you come to the meetings but you have to set on the back row. Shall we simply eradicate all sermons about sin? PO BOX 292. When we arrive in heaven we are going to be surprised not only by who is there, but by who isnt there. Nothing comforted. He believed the only way to recover was to form a new church based on the Bible. I assume you are referring to the errant position that many Pastors, Deacons, or Elders have taken placing themselves between God & Man. Arkansas - Fundamental.org It certainly isnt about our adherance to a set of manmade rules. By 1644, these congregations grew to seven churches. My point (and I just found Scripture) was that Jesus did not disnounce it as badHe says (less I misunderstand) these you ought to have done without leaving the rest undone. They will not participate, on a church basis, or any outside function with churches which do not also strictly base their faith and practice on the New Testament. 78. Baptists, including IFB Baptists, are all deceived. This directory, containing close to 10,000 churches and counting, is aimed at getting you the information you need when you need it. Puritan churches persecuted the Baptists in America until the U. S. Constitution was made the law of the land in 1787. I see through to the intensions of this site. Even though they may have been uner the law as you sayJesus did not cease sharing the fuller truth of the Law & stretching us to grasp the fullfillment of the Law. Some formed new churches and called themselves Baptists to make it clear that they believed and followed the New Testament. Still today, many Protestants see the Lords Supper as a sacrament, having to some degree saving properties or giving some spiritual benefit. I would agree with this. The Independent Baptist believes that to join with churches who teach and practice false doctrine is condone and even show approval of Biblical error and that all doctrinal error is sin. After Roger Williams stepped down, Thomas Olney took over as the pastor of the church in Rhode Island. I have never believed in obedience to a pastor just obedience to Gods Word @Saved By Grace The church I left about 2 years ago had very nasty tracts in the back of the church that said horrible things about other translations, calling them perversions and so forth and actually saying outright lies about other translations. If people would only study the Word of God for themselves and stop being pew sitters and believe everything the pastor says of gospel truth theyd be able to spot a false doctrine/teacher a mile away. This again cannot be proven from history.
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