Our business address is: The experience and skillset I got at that first job enabled me to quickly move into work paying many multiples of that first internship-like position. They both seem to have similar business models, but SW has really gotten expensive in some markets these past few years. hide. To that end, it's not that much different than regular college life (many students work part time), but you won't burden yourself with huge college debt because those kids won't have to worry about tuition and housing. I'm willing to bet that they will start service to Tampa. Unions. Age of planes? And which also clearly states that there will be no contract renewal. 6) When I have a lay-over in some capital of commerce, I may even be able to interview for my next great adventure for once I graduate! Im glad to see youre excited to join the industry. I wonder if their First Class will have free food and drinks (like JetBlue) or if they're taking the Spirit Big Front Seat approach. Eight hours plus. My point is: Why pay more if you don't have to? So, that will be difficult. *Layovers will be rare (mechanical issues, weather), trip planning will be turns out and back same day. May be this a good business model. There will be scheduled 1% pay raises on September 15, 2023, and September 15, 2024. maximum takeoff weight), Note: PIC is defined as Captain or Aircraft Commander of record, not simply the sole manipulator of the controls, Valid FCC Radiotelephone Operators Permit, Must have or be able to obtain a valid U.S. drivers license, Must have or be able to obtain a valid passport, Must be able to travel unrestricted to and from the United States, Must pass a DOT pre-employment drug test, Must have authorization to work in the United States as defined by the Immigration Reform Act of 1986, MyIDTravel (preferred), or list at the gate, Monthly Pay Guarantee for Line Holders: 70 hours, Monthly Pay Guarantee for Reserves: 70 hours. Even if/though they get corporate housing (which could also be really dismal) they've still got to pay for food. Breeze Airways - Breeze careers 35 developed countries around the world have better healthcare than the USA and many of them don't leave their citizens without a safety net. Not if you wanted good work done. They are taking advantage of a market surplus. How often is the minimum guaranteed hours exceeded in a given month? Either talk about what JBs starting rates were when they launched or write this article in 5 years and Ill think differently. *The whole "Home Monthly" is based on operational needs and must be scheduled 3 weeks prior. may be it is totally moronic. And yes, if a doctor is an intern at my hospital I would And yes, if a doctor is an intern at my hospital I would not hesitate scheduling surgery (I'm sure he/she is cheaper) since I know he's had full training. sarah nelson & its lazy fugly union peeps should meet north korean & fat Kims firing squads. It can be very exciting and rewarding, but. your username . I hope he's prepared to pay pilots a real premium, otherwise why go to a startup when the legacies will be hiring big-time. You have 7 days to get yourself there, find a place, sign a lease, move in, get airport badges and be ready to fly on day 8.). I know these FA's will not be scheduled for overnight trips. Claim your Free Employer Profile Website: www.flybreeze.com Headquarters: Cottonwood Heights, UT Size: 501 to 1000 Employees Founded: 2018 Type: Company - Private No we need less and need more solid middle class jobs. pilots from the majors who took retirement might jump at the chance to fly again. Were going to work hard to make sure this doesnt get off the ground, says Sara Nelson, president of the Association of Flight Attendants-CWA. Get real. The Breeze pilots, once hired, will see the Neeleman is begging for a pilot union to quickly form on his new airline, whether he knows it or not. Can the U.S. not have just one decent, heck even mediocre, airline? Does the hourly rate even amount to minimum wage? They are offering an employment model that will appeal to some people and no other airline can/will match it so the cost differences should be sustainable. What does the department of labor think about this? While we do try to list all the best miles and points deals, the site does not include all card companies or credit card offers available in the marketplace. When I met my wife, she wanted to be a physical therapist. What do you make of Breezes approach to hiring? We don't really know enough at this point. Attn: Airline Pilot Central Position: Engines Turn Or People Swim. Seems like they could be taking advantage of this particular moment in time, and the situation the industry is in. Should be a wage and hour attorney's dream; they'll be subject to every state's wage/hour laws wherever they fly and be subject to both private lawsuits as well as administrative cases from the wage/hour agency in those respective states. All rights reserved. Also: are families welcome? Wasn't aware of breeze low pay scale. Getting paid $30-$40,000 isnt enough to keep most from leaving after a year. Monty, I interviewed at Breeze a few months back. Get some help. Highest paying job titles at Breeze Airways include Back-End Software Engineer, Director, Financial Reporting, and Technical Program Manager Total value of jobs: $12,985,000 Total Jobs: 3. Lets compare Breezes pilot pay to that of a couple of other airlines: Heres JetBlues Embraer 190 pilot pay scale: JetBlue Embraer 190 pilots get paid way more. Wasn't aware of breeze low pay scale. Its stated that the role of flight attendants will be part time, as theyll work 15 days per month. There are many young people that lack the $$ or choose not to go into debt (student loan/s) for a traditional higher education. These comments are something else. I would think having your own place paid for as an apartment or even sharing would save you $6000 a month at least. You seem to be an angry young man. Flight Attendants are hired because they are qualified to provide safety & service. Merge the Starbucks model into an airline. If the pay is off the mark, the marketplace will correct this soon enough: pilots have options, and they know it. My only other option right now is to start all over at another regional where the pay, seniority, and quality of life will be much lower. El Segundo, CA 90245, Do Not Sell or Share My Personal Information, Meet the Breeze team at upcoming events! By clicking the Send button, you agree to our Terms of Use and Privacy Policy, and to the use of cookies described therein, and you also consent to the collection, storage, and processing of your data in the United States where the level of data protection may be different from that in your country. So, that will be difficult. There could be plenty of pilots typed and timed in the E-jets whod be willing to take this awhile waiting to get (back) to the majors. Pros - quick getting on plane and sitting down, a few empty seats, very fast getting luggage back to you Cons - You have to pay extra for any seat you choose. Is Breeze Airways pilot pay unreasonable? Launching an airline carrier during a pandemic when aviation losses are in the billions, seems to be a tricky business proposition. What sets Breeze Airways hourly salaries apart is the monthly hourly guarantee, which is only 55 hours, or at most, $7,865 per month before taxes (for Captains in their sixth year). This says to me that the quality of pilot they will be recruiting will be far from the best and hence, an airline to swerve. 5) I will meet many travelers and may be able to network my way into other opportunities when I As a college student, I love the idea! The airline carrier has opted to utilize a fleet of Embraer 195s. New airline Breeze Airways releases hourly wage numbers. Breeze Airways: What You Need to Know - NerdWallet Their value is astronomical. Breeze will hire the lowest time, least skilled pilots begging for their first "jet job", just like all the regionals do. For those who get hired by Breeze in this first round, I would imagine they'd be happy campers in a few years. The systems are good at remembering my preferences though. As a pilot with one of the aforementioned regionals, this is an ongoing conversation. A new airline that bills itself as "seriously nice" first took to the skies in 2021. Many of those interns go on to be millionaires, build businesses, and manage to be +5 insightful and funny. Criticizing workers for lack of professional ambition is part of our toxic "professional achievement & success, income as identity" culture, especially where there are so many ways to live fulfilling lives that are not defined by constant growth of income. @Ben L. exhibiting developmental delay for snark: that's concerning. Our Pilots are overall Leaders who safely take care of our Team Members and Guests. How much do Breeze Airways employees make? Seems oppressive, so they wont be seeing my business. Sounds pretty abysmal. Almost every airline has it in the @Samuel - Housing is a big plus and at Breeze it is included. Add to that COVID and these poor guys will have NO CHOICE but to fly for these asshats. The next step from airlines would probably challenge the FAA rule of 1 FA per 50 pax. Every job would hire people at less than half pay and call them interns if they could get away with it. Disappointed but not surprised. Breeze Airways Employee Reviews for Flight Attendant - Indeed Salary; Breeze Airways Flight Attendant - Full Time ORF: Breeze Aviation Group: Norfolk, VA: $34K-$53K: Breeze Airways Flight Attendant - Full Time PVU: Breeze Aviation Group: Provo, UT: $39K-$60K: Breeze Airways Flight Attendant - Full Time TPA: Breeze Aviation Group: Tampa, FL: $33K-$53K: Intern Procurement - Summer 2023: Breeze Aviation . The founder of the airline is David Neeleman, the same guy behind JetBlue. Why are we encouraging a race to the bottom? The concept does turn on to be "too good to be true" at least for me, just based on the insurance matter alone. Before we get into the details of Breezes pilot pay, and compare it to pay at other airlines, note that: First year Breeze pilots will make $36,300. Also, let's be honest: COVID is a new reality for pilots. They can earn $40,000-$60,000 a year, cut you open, and often perform your entire surgery under the direct and indirect supervision of attending physicians, who are more experienced and make more like $350,000 to $700,000 a year. The initiative will see flight attendants be paid a fixed sum of $1,200 each month. I'm a 'union guy' for sure. No thank you! its entrepreneurs and change-makers. Thread starter aisleguy; Start date Mar 22, 2022; A. aisleguy Well-Known Member. I'm nearing ATP mins as a CFI and it looks interesting. Its schedule, price, loyalty program. I'm glad to see you're excited to join the industry. That's the Breeze way. @samuel. Pre-Order now!Pre-Order Inflight A359FJ0623 1:200 Fiji Airways Airbus A350-941Highly detailed diecast pre-finished collector model airplane. Classes are 100% online. Scary and for sure a company that will NEVER see me on any of there planes! You can also reach us at (800) 573-1848. Do you see 50 yo or 70 yo lifeguards on the beach? Those rates and minimums will almost certainly guarantee an ALPA swooping-in to negotiate better terms for their members. Over time, these airplanes are to be swapped out with Airbus A220s. American would attempt to get the lowest pay rates in the industry on comparable equipment. I would instruct my old self to work yet harder for my lousy salary. How many people truly seek out higher prices for labor solidarity? Keep working at it, maybe you'll can find an unpaid internship on Arsenio. It is obvious that ,"Your Highness" doesn't appreciate the one class of employees that can encourage repeat business - because flight attendants are the ONLY employees that have a constant interaction with customers. *The whole Home Monthly is based on operational needs and must be scheduled 3 weeks prior. Breeze Airways' Bizarre Approach To Hiring Flight Attendants You think this college student focused recruit is the only thing they've planned for beyond the short term? There is nothing wrong with it: young doctors tend to be closest to what's cutting edge and have read the latest medical studies and literature. Even if it flies at first, at some point of growth, you won't be able to justify career training. Commuting from another city to work is almost impossible when on reserve. Its all about price. Guest Service Plan. I think these "internships" are not meant for people looking at a career as a flight attendant, but rather college age kids looking for a unique experience. Copyright 2005-2023 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. As a pilot with one of the aforementioned regionals, this is an ongoing conversation. If Breeze employees get stock (I'm no insider but assume they will), and Breeze succeeds, they stand to make up later in capital gains potentially much more than they forego today in ordinary income. Yeah.let us be honest.A 25 year veteran flight attendant is not someone most of us want on a flight. ", but I actually challenge you to schedule surgery with a doctor with only a GED. The offered wages are above-average ates in the United States. Apart from seeking to keep labor cost for the flight attendants lower than at airlines where seniority translates into wage escalation over time, not to mention other costs such as health insurance, which also becomes more expensive as most of us advance in age, or perhaps even pension costs, since the college interns are envisioned as moving on to other occupations after they age out - er graduate - another benefit of this innovative labor Apart from seeking to keep labor cost for the flight attendants lower than at airlines where seniority translates into wage escalation over time, not to mention other costs such as health insurance, which also becomes more expensive as most of us advance in age, or perhaps even pension costs, since the college interns are envisioned as moving on to other occupations after they age out - er graduate - another benefit of this innovative labor policy for flight attendants just so happens to be maintaining a youthful labor force as seniors depart from - er graduate - their internships and are replaced by freshmen (and women; the term fresh was intentionally omitted as that does not exactly present well given the context). I know that Breeze is hiring for captain right seat flying, aka the pilot has captain qualifications, but will be flying as first officers until there is enough flying for them to be moved to the left seat. At the end of last month, the Association of Flight Attendants-CWA - AFA United Master Executive Council analyzed Breeze's program. Thanks for update !! Here's to hoping for an actual pilot shortage in the next few years, and then we'll all be laughing at this ridiculous pay. Not discussed here is the difference between flight hours and duty day. Maybe there are ancillary benefits/travel privileges' that are enormously valuable to some people. I was one of them 20 years ago but was not treated close to as bad as this sounds. Some can force their way, others will accept any offer out of fear to lose their job. I could have worked for the also defunct Pilgrim Airlines. This combination of low salary and high demands cannot be good for retention. I interviewed at Breeze a few months back. You can work at a lot of fast food places and now get $15 an hour plus benefits. And many of the commenters on here will fill seats when UA is 5x the price on Are all the posts from FAs at other airlines? This job is not nor intended to be for every young person. Breeze's schedule is likely to have heavy seasonal flex. I'm 41. Spirit may have higher "margins", i.e. The race to the bottom continues. I worked my way through college and I would have LOVED to have free housing provided. Kinda like most private sector unions. The average pilot will make more than this. Of course, what's needed is a severe pilot shortage to really change up the whole industry. The airline is expected to start selling tickets any day now, and I know many of us are curious about what the Salt Lake City-based carriers first routes will be. Pilots are incredibly overpaid as it is. Sounds awfully low especially with a 55-hour minimum pay. I think these "internships" are not meant for people looking at a career as a flight attendant, but rather college age kids looking for a unique experience. The wont to have pilots on there books, but wont have at the beginnig a lot of flightsSo from a business point it makes sence to have more pilots who only fligh 55h instead of having less pilots with 75h. And a minimum of 40. Interesting. 2) housing: I am curious what housing? Maybe its just SPS. Only Skyworst has no union in the regional game, and they continue to get guys to sign up by force feeding the kool-aid by the tankful. $36.76. Breeze Will Pay Flight Attendants $1,200 Per Month, Wants To Ding Your Credit Card Ben Schlappig Published: April 29, 2021 Updated: August 12, 2022 99 With Avelo Airlines having launched operations yesterday, Breeze Airways is expected to be the next US airline startup to begin flying. If adults want to work the jobs Breeze offers and are satisfied with it then there is no cynical exploitation, even though legacy unions might wish that it were so. And I'm not convinced a bright college student can't get the job done. End stage capitalism here people. Id be interested in knowing more about the contents and cost of flight attendant training programs. Expect PGD, IAG, SFB, ORH, RFD, PIT and to change seasonally. PEOPLExpress anyone? The Breeze growth story is extraordinary. I'll work my fingers to the bone as an intern but a stipend of $1,200 a month won't go far with a medical emergency. Oh, and first crew base is MYR. Not if you wanted good work done. They can't profitably or even just realistically offer higher minimums than that at this point because they won't have the volume of flights. And to survive afterwards, once pilots leave in droves, theyll have to drop their requirements to the lowest legal, AND pay a more than competitive wagetheyre shooting themselves in the left main. That minimum guarantee is just that, a minimum. I am not necessarily rooting for him, since it depends on how happy employees are, but I think he and his outline of the new airline model have potential for spectacular success, regardless. If its actually cheaper and leg room isnt a total disaster, their planes will be full. The estimated hourly pay at Breeze Airways ranges from approximately $11.82 per hour for Software Engineer Intern to $167 per hour for Captain. It's exactly what I have been saying for years. It sounds to me like I am reading a history book about people who had to work in company housing, buying at the company store - another day older and deeper in debt. How far can this avalanche go where the top 1% get ever greater portions of the wealth, while the rest, well we dont think about them. I have no idea if they will be paid CA or FO rate while flying the right seat though. Spirit flight attendants are generally better than AA and UA. They are exploiting pilots. It gets so tiresome. Copyright 2005-2023 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. Kinda like this site makes money signing people up for credit cards. Of course this wont last as the market rebounds, but the die will have been cast for what they think of their employees. Posts: 36,185. Most professionals are comfortable with the idea of a starter job, and aren't looking for a father figure in their employer to guide them gently into old age. Breeze will be a low cost carrier primarily operating point-to-point routes that arent currently served. This page was updated on October 13, 2022 (Quicktake, Payscales, Fleet). Yes, they are using and abusing us. Your slip is showing. @Robert. These skills are essential for them to be able to take the next step in their careers and lives. People forget that people have different life circumstances than their own. What they do at launch and what they do 2 years later can be entirely different. The job may fit more workers than you think. Overall, it sounds like he spent his time in Brazil calculating every aspect of his U.S. comeback. The airline should do fine, at least up to a certain scale. Pilots from Compass and Expressjet will flock to Breeze to maintain currency. To airline pilots is there anything Im missing here that would make Breeze an attractive employer? CORRECTION for the above; should be as follows: - like airlines based in countries that still allow for hiring and firing based on age., Apologies for the error! Everyone should apply. Im a bit confused. I knew one guy that slept in the crew lounge and wandered DEN between trips. First Officer 1st year $89 and $130 in year six. The founder of the airline is David Neeleman, the same guy behind JetBlue. Is there a penalty for leaving early? MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands Chances if you have surgery, you already have. Most people care about price and reasonably courtesy interactions. You and a friend use your travel pass and visit a city. Frankly Im somewhere in the middle here. They can't practice on their Great idea. Breeze Airways Is Recruiting Pilots; What Execs Look for When Hiring Does everyone just think about cost of a ticket, but not how safe the aircraft are? There are almost 1000 E175/E190 type rated pilots from ExpressJet and Compass. [Well] flash someone a message, Hey, we see youre flying today. And Coke Zero, make it a large. The salary is 22.50 an hour sounds good but there is so much you don't get paid for that other airlines do. Most of the comments are/were regarding the MMG and hourly pay, but the key factor is the requirements to actually get the job. The airline is hiring both pilots and flight attendants, given that its close to launching operations. may be it is totally moronic. Interesting. Also even the numbers you quote put them right in line (if not slightly above) the regional peers like SkyWest. I liked the idea of them providing housing so I didn't have to scramble to find a crash pad or sign a lease somewhere. Our normal business hours are Monday-Friday 8 a.m. to 5 p.m. (Pacific Time). Not Germany, France, the UK, Japan, no one. Well what about Maintenance. Again, a lot will depend upon the future demand for air travel. Does the fact that all FA positions are, looking at the website, classified as "part-time" allow them to avoid paying for health insurance? Not my kind of thing. For what you spent in training together with what is intelectually asked of a pilot, pay is completely out of line with most smaller/regional airlines. There are laws preventing this for a reason. Good luck with that. Unfortunately flying is something easy to be passionate about, and the industry takes advantage. Nobody knows yet. And its our fault. Minimum wage in Utah is $7.25/hr and cost of living there is pretty low. Maybe it really is a part-time gig and would be a good fit for a great many people. You don't get any insurances. An airline that keeps harassing me with upsell offers on my purchase? The significant wage difference may be in anticipation of the economic recovery process ahead. Impressive to see how discussion of new airline business immediately decedents into anti-religious bigotry. Others might say its borderline exploitative. 1) Against unions: not every employee is good at negotiating. Actual flight time? Yes, I'm probably talking about you dummy. Hire new, low hours FO with a salary that is 30% lower than the market on the promise that they will be promoted to captain in 1 year. Obviously, a lot of people are not aware of what a flight attendant's role is (listen up Neeleman). Login Support. Love it! A job that solves the problem of housing takes an enormous number of costs away from young people, and the "$1200 salary" needs to be evaluated in that context. Find many great new & used options and get the best deals for 1/400 Gemini Jets Breeze Airways Embraer ERJ-195AR N190BZ "2020s" at the best online prices at eBay! (E-190) And in the interview say no thanks pay to low and walk out. There isn't enough information to know whether this is a good deal or a bad deal for the "part timers" potentially taking this work. 2. So theres not much benefit to jumping ship and resetting your seniority at another airline. Close. But, lets be clear: unless theres a fairly substantial number of mid-career/midlife/middle aged people among the flight attendants, apart from seeking to keep labor (and other) costs down, its hard to miss the happy coincidence of also having an angle/approach that just so happens to allow for forever young flight attendants - like airlines based in countries that still allow for to hiring and firing based on age. Word is Allegiant about to get a TA/contract that surpasses our own in pay, benefits etc. You can also reach us at (800) 573-1848. Breeze Airways Pilots Vote To Unionize, But - One Mile at a Time If the public and the FAA is satisfied with the drinks they get served and the safety practices that by law must be followed then perhaps there is no reason at all for them to vote with their feet. I already feel bad for the disadvantaged kids that will end up getting wrangled into this to help pay for a couple semesters of college. Advertiser Disclosure: Some links to credit cards and other products on this website will earn an affiliate commission. 'Fly Breeze for peanuts' could be a marketing slogan aimed at pilots as well as passengers. Unfortunately flying is something easy to be passionate about, and the industry takes advantage. Sounds like 4 years of indentured servitude! If the labor model is as stupid and exploitative as you seem to believe it is, it will fail. @samuel. What Are Redeye Flights? The estimated additional pay is $797 per month. Not exclusively, but the idea of a University education is as much participating in a community of students as it is sitting in classrooms. I'm assuming Breeze knows there's going to be a number of unemployed pilots and $77K+ a year is better than unemployment benefits. New airplane, new business model. Whatta country! 3.Enough may feel that this is just fine for 1-2 years. Will they get pilots? Time away from home and on duty? Second, the amount of flights they'll even have to offer in their first year or two is relatively small but not surprising for the type of flying they're doingie. It can be very exciting and rewarding, but. the recruiters told me: Breeze Airways Customer Reviews - SKYTRAX Even the ME3 flight attendants start on a salary of around $3,000 per month plus housing and that is tax-free. He is probably right in both those factors. of Labor requires that to classify a worker as an intern, the intern has to be the primary beneficiary of the position, not the company. Therefor your flight attendant is going to be exhausted/probably not happy and definitely not rested enough to perform optimally in an emergency. An initial slate of 39 routes across 16. Oh the horror of being open about the terms of the jobs and the compensation and then allowing potential flight attendants to decide if they want to accept the arrangement. This arrogant capitalist needs to be forced to live in poverty too. Editorial Disclosure: The editorial content on this page is not provided by any entity mentioned herein. These comments are something else. To be honest, many college kids waste 4 years of tuition partying and enjoying life without learning anything substantial. Given the circumstances, the airline carrier will be in dire need of profits to recoup its initial investments.
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